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Post by sharonbarnett on Dec 13, 2010 11:08:11 GMT
Hi, does anyone have the dates for the Kent Grand Prix races 2011, or know who does have them? Hat trick winners being the mission for the forthcoming year! Lots of effort but I think we can have a very good try at succeeding between us all.
Thank you
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Post by David H on Dec 13, 2010 18:18:45 GMT
Hi Sharon,
Dates just been given to me, however, some appear to be incorrect i.e. Saturday not Sunday. Waiting for an update. Sorry table looks messy, two yes's means it's a Kent Champ
KENT ROAD RACES – GRAND PRIX AND CHAMPIONSHIPS 2011
Race Date Day Kent Champs Grand Prix
Canterbury 10 ml 30/1/11 Sun Yes Tundge Wells Half Mthn 27/2/11 Sun Yes Greenwich Meridian 10k 7/3/11 Sun Yes Yes Paddock Wd Half Mthn 29/3/11 Sun Yes Folkestone 10 ml 22/4/11 Fri Yes Beckenham 10k June ‘11* Sun Yes Dartford Half Mthn July ‘ 11* Sun Yes Yes Thanet Mthn 4/9/10 * Sun Yes Yes Sittingbourne 10 ml 2/10/11* Sun Yes Yes Deal 5 ml 5/11/11* Sun Yes
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Post by jaffacake on Dec 13, 2010 19:29:26 GMT
Thanks for the info David.
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Post by Sir Cowarde de Custarde on Dec 13, 2010 20:41:25 GMT
I have had a look at the list of Grand Prix Races for next year (and some alternatives), and these are my proposed Club Championship races for 2011. Please feel free to comment as nothing is set in stone at this stage.
30 Jan Canterbury 10 - use as the final race of the 2010 Club Champs (KGP)
27 Feb Tunbridge Wells Half (KGP) 13 Mar Thanet 10 - many of us are already entered after the cancellation last week. 22 Apr Folkestone 10 (KGP)
01 May Goudhurst 10K - new event (or we could do Whitstable the day after) 11 Jul Dartford Half (KGP) 24 Jul Deal Dinosaur 10K
25 Sep Tonbridge Half - new event 02 Oct Sittingbourne 10 (KGP) 30 Oct Wilmington 10K (possible date)
The reasons behind the above suggestions is that just by following the KGP list, we will only have 2 events left by mid- July if we follow the list slavishly. One 10K needs to be inserted, and Wilmington will keep the season going as long as possible - unless anyone fancies doing the December version of the Thanet 10 instead of the March one.
These are the KGP events I propose NOT to use (and the reasons why not). I have not selected another race on the same date so there should not be a conflict of interest with the events listed:
06 Mar Greenwich 10K - £17 entry fee, plus doing Tunbridge Wells and Thanet would give us three races in three weeks.
29 Mar Paddock Wood Half - a regular event, but we seem to do it more often than not. I'm suggesting giving it a rest for 2011 and using an event later in the year (Tonbridge)
11 Jun Beckenham 10K - we did this three years ago; it is not easy to get to, is one and a half times round the course and a number of runners did not get a place because of a very small limit of runners (250ish)
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Post by Barrie on Dec 14, 2010 10:45:51 GMT
I know I'm new, and I'm sure this can't be easy (especially with Thanet being re-scheduled) - but here's some feedback & a suggestion…….!
There are only 4 races that are both 2011 club champs and Grand Prix events, and there are no Harriers events in either - this makes doing Club Champs, Kent Grand prix and the Harriers events a bit congested to say the least, and could dilute the numbers at Grand Prix events in 2011.
If I try to do Club Champs, Kent Grand Prix, 2010 Cross Country, Harriers races, 2011 Cross Country along with a couple of other events I'm already planning……..I'll end up doing over 30 races in 2011 and will be penniless, divorced (by both wife + kids), and probably injured!
Someone else suggested having the Canterbury 10 count for both 2010 & 2011 club champs - could we do this but still include the re-arranged thanet 10 and have the 'best 2 of 4' 10 milers counting for this years club champs?
Having said all that, it's a great mix of events and I do like the idea of supporting some new races - Tonbridge Half and Goudhurst 10k sound good. So don't worry, if it stays as it is then I'm more than happy and looking forward to a (very) busy race season next year.
Barrie Page
P.S I need to set a 10k 'PB' as I've never done a 10k race before - looking at Ashford (6th Feb) - anyone else doing this?
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Post by paulh66 on Dec 14, 2010 22:13:00 GMT
All looks reasonable to me, the way the KRRGP has scheduled so many early events does make it a bit tricky. The only suggestion I would make is whether we should still have one race outside Kent as we have done for the past few years.
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Post by paula on Dec 16, 2010 11:28:44 GMT
Hi Andrew, here are some of my thoughts:
I understand some of your reasons for not including 3 of the Grand Prix events as CC races but I do think it is important to encourage as many members as possible to take part in the Grand Prix events next year and the best way to do this is to ensure that they are one and the same. It would be great if the ladies could win the trophy 3 years in a row, and the men came second in 2010 so should be in with a good chance of winning next year if they are encouraged to turn up.
As Barrie said, if we have too many races then we are going to have to choose between them or face divorce from our partners for being out every Sunday! I would like to see Paddock Wood included in the CC. Many of us will be there anyway.
Although several of us have entered the Thanet 10, it is possible to have a refund and we therefore don't have to include this race. I won't be running it as I plan to do a 20 mile race in preparation for the London marathon. I know there are several people keen on doing a 20 mile race around that time and two good options seem to be either Essex on March 6th or Surrey March 13th and therefore Thanet wouldn't be possible anyway due to a clash or knackered legs!! Also, those of us that will be doing the KGP events will have Greenwich and Paddock Wood so March will be too busy race wise. I would prefer to use the December Thanet 10, this also keeps the CC going for the whole year.
Obviously I shall be happy to go along with what the majority think but the Grand Prix events will take priority for me, I would just like to have a shot at the CC too. Cheers, Paula
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Post by Tim E on Dec 17, 2010 14:25:49 GMT
I agree with Barrie and Paula on this. Although I am unlikely to end up divorced - I have a very understanding wife! - and all my friends have given up telling me I'm selfish because I spend to much time running, I feel the the club champs should correspond to the Grand Prix for the following reasons: 1. To much racing during the year is a sure way to get run down and injured. 2. As Paula said If the club want good participation in CC and GP then the obvious way to get this is to have them as the same races. 3. The fewer races we have in the winter the more likely people are to compete in the cross country season - which should be encouraged because of the great benefits it has for road runners.
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Post by steve t on Dec 23, 2010 19:47:15 GMT
i don't mean to sound stupid , but what actually is the races for the coming year in club chanpionship and kent grand prix , because someone said canterbury 10 was for the 2010 championship. and the thanet 10 was gonig to be includid in the 2011 champ, also how many kgp races are there
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Post by Sir Cowarde de Custarde on Dec 23, 2010 20:16:15 GMT
Steve,
There are 10 races in the Kent Grand Prix under normal circumstances - the races for 2011 are in David's post at the top. We usually use most of the relevant ones (10K, 10 miles and HMs) as part of our own club championship as well, although this is difficult if one of the KGP races is a Maidstone Harriers' organised race as we need organisers and marshals.
I have given some thought to the issues raised above, and perhaps this is the way forward:
30 Jan - Canterbury 10, to complete the 2010 Club Championship.
27 Feb Tunbridge Wells Half (KGP) 07 Mar Greenwich 10K (KGP) 29 Mar Paddock Wood Half (KGP) 22 Apr Folkestone 10 (KGP)
11 Jun Beckenham 10K (KGP) 11 Jul Dartford Half (KGP) 24 Jul Deal Dinosaur 10K
02 Oct Sittingbourne 10 (KGP) 30 Oct Wilmington 10K (TBC) 04 Dec Thanet 10 (TBC)
This would give us a year with 4 10Ks, but would enable those who are aiming to do the Kent Grand Prix only one "extra" race to do. However, it would enable those aiming to do a spring marathon the chance to do the Essex 20 on the same day as the Greenwich 10K and would also ensure that results are not skewed by people failing to get into the Beckenham 10K, which happened the last time we did that race.
I also believe that the above gives us a better spread of races and will keep us going until December in search of the overall results. What do you think?
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Post by Barrie on Dec 24, 2010 7:25:00 GMT
Personally, I think this is spot on. No excuses Harriers - The Grand Prix trophies are as good as ours :-)
Just to clarify for Steve - Canterbury 10 is first race of 2011 GP (even though it's 2010 club champs).
Shame to lose Tonbridge half and Goudhurst 10k, but necesary I think and we can still run them if we have anything left in the legs left by then!
Anyway, this has my vote for sure.
Barrie
P.S Will it still be best 2 10k results counting for club champs?
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Post by Barrie on Dec 24, 2010 8:19:13 GMT
Got a definite date for Greenwich, it's 6th not 7th - have the entry form in front of me! Closing date is feb 25th, no on-line entry - postal entry only.
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Post by paulh66 on Dec 24, 2010 10:06:08 GMT
Looks good to me. It would have been nice to run Tonbridge as it's a new event, but if it's a success it'll probably be a GP event before long anyway.
I ran Greenwich a couple of years ago. It's 2 laps, all within the park, but each lap includes the big climb up the hill past the Royal Observatory, so it's quite a hard race.
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Post by mickw on Dec 24, 2010 14:08:18 GMT
Looks like a well balanced programme to me.
Just one small observation: I don't know how material it will be, but the Sittingbourne 10 appears to be the same weekend as the proposed Cologne trip.
However, it's clear a lot of thought has gone into the possible permutations and I think we can run with what's proposed (excuse the pun!).
Mick
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Post by Sir Cowarde de Custarde on Dec 24, 2010 20:40:02 GMT
Barrie, Yes, it would still be the best two 10Ks. It is a shame that the Cologne trip is the same weekend as the Sittingbourne 10 (and the Dulwich 10K if anyone fancies another go at it), but it is also the reason why you only need two events to count; I feel sure that even with 10 months' notice, there will also be someone who is likely to be at a wedding somewhere that weekend, and someone who will be on holiday as well (last weekend of the Munich Oktoberfest would be a good place to be)!
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